a dozen of america's largest companies met with the president and warned that washington must reach a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. the president also sat down with congressional leaders and officially began negotiations. if congress doesn't act, taxes on income, capital gains, dividends and estates will all go up. and automatic spending cuts will kick in, beginning on january 1st. this week, i spoke with alan simpson and erskine bowles, authors of a deficit reduction plan about what needs to be done. >> you can't tax your way out of this. you can't cut spending your way out of this. you can't grow your way out of this. so grab hold, it's going to be a rocky, rocky road. >> so you're saying closing the loopholes alone brings it to a trillion. >> if you're willing to wipe out all of them, and that may not be political feasible, but you can definitely solve the problem by broadening the base, simplifying the code and getting rid of the tax expenditures. >> it upsets me you're worried we're not going to get a deal because that's how i felt. >> i think there is a one-third probability we'll